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The listing of Q Battery medals following the Boar War is confusing 11 years 1 month ago #8889

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Henk and Frank.....

Thanks for your information.....

I was able to find McDONALD (on the roll) but no McDonnell.....

There was some writing on the roll between Lore/Love and McDonald but my eyes were unable to make out what it is....

That is what confused me.....

I see that Dr. Mitchell had both names in the same possition, and since McDonnell is on the medal I am sure that this is the mans correct name.....

And I cannot find him listed in my copy of Palmer under either name.....

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The listing of Q Battery medals following the Boar War is confusing 11 years 1 month ago #8891

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Without knowing where the information on the typed list that Henk has presented came from we cannot be certain of its accuracy.

That Henk says it comes from a noted medal collector helps but is not 100%.

Given the hysteria surrounding Q Btty QSAs and Sanna's Pos, with all available evidence I would only accept a confirmed casualty as proof of being present.

Mike - have you tried the Library of the RA for more info?

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The listing of Q Battery medals following the Boar War is confusing 11 years 1 month ago #8892

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Good morning Meurig,
It is a great pity that Frank Mitchell is no longer with us because we would be able to ask him, but, I, like you would not buy a medal to a man who is not shown in the casualty return, if you are parting with hard earned money, you want it to be perfect.
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SWB wrote: Without knowing where the information on the typed list that Henk has presented came from we cannot be certain of its accuracy.

That Henk says it comes from a noted medal collector helps but is not 100%.

Given the hysteria surrounding Q Btty QSAs and Sanna's Pos, with all available evidence I would only accept a confirmed casualty as proof of being present.

Mike - have you tried the Library of the RA for more info?

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Meurig

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The listing of Q Battery medals following the Boar War is confusing 11 years 1 month ago #8893

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Mike,
There is no man on their roll with the name Mcdonnell and for that reason, I would not even think about buying it.
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QSAMIKE wrote: Henk and Frank.....

Thanks for your information.....

I was able to find McDONALD (on the roll) but no McDonnell.....

There was some writing on the roll between Lore/Love and McDonald but my eyes were unable to make out what it is....

That is what confused me.....

I see that Dr. Mitchell had both names in the same possition, and since McDonnell is on the medal I am sure that this is the mans correct name.....

And I cannot find him listed in my copy of Palmer under either name.....

Mike

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The listing of Q Battery medals following the Boar War is confusing 11 years 1 month ago #8896

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Hi Everybody
I visited the site of the Battle of Sannaspos in the early 1950’s in a group when 2 Oudstryder Burgers told us wide-eyed youngsters “hoe ons die Tommies gevang en die kanonne gebuit het”. I would like to think that they wore ABO’s , but in those days I (lamentably) mainly collected stamps and coins and medals were lost on me!
I have been fascinated by the affair ever since and over the years added a number of Sannaspos decorations and medals , as well as various snippets of printed & written information to my collection. The two A-4 pages submitted yesterday fall in the latter category : unfortunately I never asked Frank where and how he obtained/compiled them.
113 years after the event there are still unanswered questions, especially casualty/medal-related.
For example:
I have a Photostat of an 11 page handwritten commentary on the battle written by Brig Gen E J Phipps Hornby on 30 Nov 1931. The pen-ultimate paragraph reads
“It was then time to leave, my trumpeter bought me my horse which was shot in the shoulder as I mounted; the brigade trumpeter, who was with me, was wounded and the battery sergeant major was taken prisoner”
The Batt SM (W Cook) checks out on the SAFF Casualty Rolls as being PoW (I have his DCM group). However, who are the 2 trumpeters referred to? Trumpeter T Cresswell (Q Bty) was not taken Pow or wounded, but the above statement confirms his presence at the battle. Under the U Battery entries Trumpeters G H Gammon and A V Marsh are listed as PoW, but no mention of one of them being wounded. Was there another “brigade trumpeter” who is not listed in the SAFF Cas Rolls?
Another observation:
The following 3 entries are listed under the Q Battery casualties in SAFF Cas Roll, but they are not shown on the “Mitchell Lists”
68397 Gunner F Hewitt (wounded)
15103 Driver A Delooze (wounded) : on QSA roll with rank A/Bombdr
32719 Driver W Hek (wounded)

Also on the SAFF Cas Roll: 81743 Driver G Tyler (wounded) has initials A H on QSA roll and 69812 Gunner J Gray (wounded) is F Grey on QSA Roll.

Another question: Mitchell mentions Dvr S Collins as ?wounded?. He is not on the SAFF Cas Roll, and on the QSA roll there are 2 Drivers named Collins: 68150 “A” and 32722 “F E”. An inspection of their papers may shed some light on this (the papers that I have for my first Sannaspos casualty, 71119 Dr C Allcock, notes that he was wounded at Korn Spruit)

Henk

PS A tongue-in-cheek aside to Meurig re confirmed casualties: Have look at your Register entry for 215 Pte J Hirst Imp Lt Infy. Would you like to venture an estimate as to a value for his QSA?
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The listing of Q Battery medals following the Boar War is confusing 11 years 1 month ago #8909

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Thanks Henk for a neat example on the potential issues faced when researching casualties.

Hirst - killed at Spion Kop (that's what the Register says) - mega bucks!

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