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The medal to F Kerruish is interesting.

He is listed on the Steam Road Transport roll (WO100/155p104) with a note saying the medal was issued to RE Records 30 October 1907.



I would have expected the medal to be named to the SRT but it is named to the REs but with no rank.



QSA (1) Orange Free State (F. Kerruish, R.E.)
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Going through the roll for the SRT in WO100/155, I think there were 111 unique names. Based on the F Kerruish example posted yesterday, I have removed 2 names of medals that were probably named to the RE rather than SRT. 45 of the medals were returned leaving a net issue of 66.

I have so far identified 6 as being extant but I am sure there are more. If you know of more, please let me know and I will update this list.

While no rank is given, some of the later pages of the roll do give a role (either engine driver, chief engineer or OC).

There is one possible duplicate, F Davis.

Anderson, R. Role: Not stated. QSA (3) CC OFS Tr. Medal returned 17 November 1913. Ref: WO100/155p100
Appleby, W. Role: Not stated. QSA (2) CC OFS. Ref: WO100/155p100
Ashley, C W. Role: Not stated. QSA (2) CC OFS. Ref: WO100/155p100
Barker, H. Role: Not stated. QSA (0). Ref: WO100/155p100
Batty, G or J. Role: Engine driver. QSA (3) CC OFS Tr. Ref: WO100/155p100, p105
Bentley, A. Role: Not stated. QSA (1) CC. Medal returned 17 November 1913. Ref: WO100/155p100
Bert, W H. Role: Not stated. QSA (2) CC OFS. Medal returned 17 November 1913. Ref: WO100/155p100
Bonny, E. Role: Not stated. QSA (0). Medal returned 17 November 1913. Ref: WO100/155p100

Box, E. Role: Not stated. QSA (2) CC OFS. QSA (2) extant. Ref: WO100/155p100
Bragg, W. Role: Not stated. QSA (1) CC. Medal returned 17 November 1913. Ref: WO100/155p100
Broom, A. Role: Not stated. QSA (1) CC. Medal returned 17 November 1913. Ref: WO100/155p100
Brunton, F. Role: Not stated. QSA (0). Medal returned 17 November 1913. Ref: WO100/155p100

Burrell, W. Role: Chief engineer. QSA (4) CC OFS RoL Tr. Discharged in England. Ref: WO100/155p100, p105
Caldwell, W. Role: Not stated. QSA (0). Medal returned 17 November 1913. Ref: WO100/155p100
Campbell, J. Role: Not stated. QSA (0). Medal returned 17 November 1913. Ref: WO100/155p100
Clarke, W. Role: Not stated. QSA (1) CC. Medal returned 17 November 1913. Ref: WO100/155p100
Cook, R. Role: Not stated. QSA (0). Medal returned 17 November 1913. Ref: WO100/155p100

Cooper, J. Role: Not stated. QSA (1) CC. Ref: WO100/155p100
Crane, E. Role: Not stated. QSA (1) CC. Ref: WO100/155p100
Davis, F. Role: Engine driver?. QSA (4) CC OFS RoL Tr. Discharged in England. Ref: WO100/155p100
Davis, F. Role: Engine driver?. QSA (4) CC OFS RoL Tr. Medal returned 17 November 1913. Ref: WO100/155p101
Daw, J. Role: Not stated. QSA (1) CC. Medal returned 17 November 1913. Ref: WO100/155p101
Devaney, J. Role: Not stated. QSA (2) CC OFS. Medal returned 17 November 1913. Ref: WO100/155p101

Dobson, A. Role: Engine driver. QSA (3) CC OFS Tr. Discharged in England. Ref: WO100/155p101
Dolan, F. Role: Not stated. QSA (1) CC. Ref: WO100/155p101
Dudding, B. Role: Engine driver. QSA (2) CC OFS. Discharged in England. Ref: WO100/155p101
Duff, P. Role: Not stated. QSA (1) CC. Medal returned 17 November 1913. Ref: WO100/155p101
Duff, W H. Role: Not stated. QSA (1) CC. Medal returned 17 November 1913. Ref: WO100/155p101
Edwards, J. Role: Not stated. QSA (1) CC. Medal returned 17 November 1913. Ref: WO100/155p101
Elliott, J W. Role: Engine driver. QSA (2) CC OFS. Medal returned. Ref: WO100/155p108

Ford, A. Role: Engine driver. QSA (3) CC OFS RoL. OFS added 6 May 1904. Ref: WO100/155p105
Foreman, W. Role: Not stated. QSA (0). Medal returned 17 November 1913. Ref: WO100/155p101
Froude, S. Role: Engine driver. QSA (4) CC OFS RoL Tr. Discharged in England. Ref: WO100/155p101
Gray, E J. Role: Engine driver. QSA (3) CC OFS Tr. Discharged in England. Ref: WO100/155p101
Griffin, W. Role: Not stated. QSA (0). Medal returned 17 November 1913. Ref: WO100/155p101
Hall, F. Role: Not stated. QSA (1) CC. Ref: WO100/155p101
Harpur, L. Role: Not stated. QSA (1) OFS. Ref: WO100/155p101
Harpur, W. Role: Not stated. QSA (1) OFS. Medal returned 17 November 1913. Ref: WO100/155p101
Hemming, H. Role: Not stated. QSA (2) CC OFS. QSA (3). City Coins December 2004. City Coins December 2013. Ref: WO100/155p101
Henham, L. Role: Not stated. QSA (3) CC OFS Tr. Medal returned 17 November 1913. Ref: WO100/155p101
Holbry, J. Role: Not stated. QSA (1) OFS. Held over. Believed to have served in a Railway Company, RE and later with the IMR. Ref: WO100/155p101

Holman, C F. Role: Not stated. QSA (1) CC. Ref: WO100/155p102
Horton, G. Role: Not stated. QSA (1) CC. Ref: WO100/155p101
Howson, William. Role: Not stated. QSA (3) CC OFS Tr. A note on the roll signed by Colonel James Templer says 'I remember Mr Howson very well at Cape Town and sent him on to the north. I know that after my return from South Africa he was still serving with the steam traction at Bloemfontein and Pretoria as stated in his letter'. QSA (3) issued 19 July 1907 c/o H L Templer, c/o Messr Blane and Co, Box 435, Johannesburg. Ref: WO100/155p107
Johnson, P. Role: Not stated. QSA (2) CC OFS. Ref: WO100/155p102
Kannemeyer, M. Role: Not stated. QSA (1) CC. Ref: WO100/155p102
Latimer, H. Role: Not stated. QSA (1) CC. Medal returned 17 November 1913. Ref: WO100/155p102
Lee, J R. Role: Engine driver. QSA (4) CC OFS RoL Tr. Discharged in England. Ref: WO100/155p102
Lee, R. Role: Engine driver. QSA (4) CC OFS RoL Tr. Discharged in England. Ref: WO100/155p102
Leeson, W. Role: Engine driver. QSA (3) CC OFS Tr. QSA (3). Christie's March 1990. Ref: WO100/155p108
Lemon, G. Role: Engine driver. QSA (4) CC OFS RoL Tr. Discharged in England. Ref: WO100/155p102
Logie, D. Role: Not stated. QSA (2) CC OFS. Medal returned 17 November 1913. Ref: WO100/155p102
Loxley, H. Role: Not stated. QSA (2) CC OFS. Ref: WO100/155p102
Maffy, W. Role: Engine driver. QSA (1) CC. Ref: WO100/155p105
May, W. Role: Not stated. QSA (1) CC. Medal issued 23 April 1903. Medal returned 17 November 1913. Ref: WO100/155p103
McCall, R. Role: Not stated. QSA (1) CC. Ref: WO100/155p102
McCann, J. Role: Not stated. QSA (1) CC. Ref: WO100/155p102
McKenzie, R. Role: Engine driver. QSA (3) CC OFS Tr. Ref: WO100/155p105
McLaren, D. Role: Not stated. QSA (1) CC. Medal returned 17 November 1913. Ref: WO100/155p102
McLaren, W A. Role: Chief engineer. QSA (3) CC OFS RoL. Discharged in England. Ref: WO100/155p102, p105
McNair, G. Role: Not stated. QSA (3) CC OFS Tr. Ref: WO100/155p103
McWhynny, G. Role: Not stated. QSA (1) CC. Medal returned 17 November 1913. Ref: WO100/155p103
Millichip, R. Role: Not stated. QSA (1) CC. Ref: WO100/155p102
Mills, T. Role: Engine driver. QSA (4) CC OFS RoL Tr. Discharged in England. Ref: WO100/155p102
Moore, F. Role: Not stated. QSA (1) CC. Medal returned 17 November 1913. Ref: WO100/155p102
Morecroft, T. Role: Engine driver. QSA (3) CC OFS Tr. Discharged in England. Ref: WO100/155p102
Morris, G. Role: Not stated. QSA (1) CC. Ref: WO100/155p102
Munro, J. Role: Not stated. QSA (2) CC OFS. Ref: WO100/155p102
Munro, R. Role: Not stated. QSA (2) CC OFS. Ref: WO100/155p102
Oliver, P. Role: Engine driver. QSA (1) CC. Deceased. Medal returned 17 November 1913. Ref: WO100/155p103
Patrick, A. Role: Not stated. QSA (1) CC. Ref: WO100/155p103
Peacock, F. Role: Not stated. QSA (2) CC OFS. Ref: WO100/155p103
Perryman, W. Role: Not stated. Deceased. Name crossed out on the roll. Ref: WO100/155p105
Plant, G. Role: Not stated. QSA (3) CC OFS Tr. Medal returned 17 November 1913. Ref: WO100/155p103
Read, J. Role: Engine driver. QSA (3) CC OFS Tr. Ref: WO100/155p108
Reeves, C L. Role: Engine driver. QSA (2) CC OFS. Ref: WO100/155p108
Rowles, C. Role: Engine driver. QSA (3) CC OFS Tr. Discharged in England. Ref: WO100/155p103, p105
Rutzen, R. Role: Not stated. QSA (3) CC OFS Tr. Ref: WO100/155p103
Sander, J. Role: Not stated. QSA (0). Medal returned 17 November 1913. Ref: WO100/155p103
Sharland, M. Role: Engine driver. QSA (1) CC. Discharged in England. Ref: WO100/155p103, p106
Shaw, W. Role: Engine driver. QSA (3) CC OFS Tr. Medal returned 17 November 1913. Discharged in England. Ref: WO100/155p103, p106
Shawyer, G. Role: Engine driver. QSA (2) CC OFS. Ref: WO100/155p108
Shawyer, G (Jnr). Role: Engine driver. QSA (3) CC OFS Tr. Ref: WO100/155p108
Sherman, F. Role: Not stated. QSA (3) CC OFS Tr. Medal returned 17 November 1913. Ref: WO100/155p103
Sherman, T. Role: Not stated. QSA (3) CC OFS Tr. Ref: WO100/155p103
Simpson, K. Role: Engine driver. QSA (3) CC OFS Tr. Discharged in England. QSA (3). Christie's November 1984 (part lot). Ref: WO100/155p103, p106
Simpson, W. Role: Not stated. QSA (1) CC. Ref: WO100/155p103
Smellie, P. Role: Not stated. QSA (0). Medal returned 17 November 1913. Ref: WO100/155p103
Smith, H. Role: Not stated. QSA (1) CC. Medal returned 17 November 1913. Ref: WO100/155p103

Smith, W. Role: Engine driver. QSA (3) CC OFS RoL. Discharged in England. QSA (3). City Coins #18. Ref: WO100/155p103, p106
Templer, H L. Role: Not stated. QSA (2) CC OFS. Was appointed Hon Lieutenant while employed in Steam Road Transport in South Africa vide SA Army orders No 4, 11 April 1901, and is entitled to silver medal. Should also have clasps CC and OFS. QSA (2); KSA (2) (Lt RE); BWM; VM with MID (Lt). City Coins October 2019. Ref: WO100/155p104
Templer, Colonel J L B. Role: OC. QSA (3) CC OFS Tr. QSA issued 23 May 1902. Ref: WO100/155p108
Thompson, J C. Role: Not stated. QSA (2) CC OFS. Medal returned 17 November 1913. Ref: WO100/155p104
Throp, J. Role: Engine driver. QSA (3) CC OFS Tr. Discharged in England. Ref: WO100/155p104, p106
Tienenson, J. Role: Not stated. QSA (0). Medal returned 17 November 1913. Ref: WO100/155p104
Townes, P. Role: Not stated. QSA (1) CC. Medal returned 17 November 1913. Ref: WO100/155p104
Treloar, J. Role: Not stated. QSA (2) CC OFS. Medal returned 17 November 1913. Ref: WO100/155p104

Walker, J. Role: Chief engineer. QSA (4) CC OFS RoL Tr. Discharged in England. Ref: WO100/155p104, p105
Walton, A. Role: Not stated. QSA (0). Medal returned 17 November 1913. Ref: WO100/155p104
Ward, W J. Role: Not stated. QSA (2) CC OFS. Medal returned 17 November 1913. Ref: WO100/155p104
Warner, H. Role: Not stated. QSA (1) CC. Medal returned 17 November 1913. Ref: WO100/155p104

Warrilow, A. Role: Engine driver. QSA (3) CC OFS Tr. Discharged in England. Ref: WO100/155p104, p106
Watson, C. Role: Not stated. QSA (3) CC OFS Tr. Medal returned 17 November 1913. Ref: WO100/155p104
Watson, T. Role: Not stated. QSA (3) CC OFS Tr. Medal returned 17 November 1913. Ref: WO100/155p104

Webster, H. Role: Engine driver. QSA (1) CC. Ref: WO100/155p106
Weightman, G. Role: Engine driver. QSA (3) CC OFS Tr. Ref: WO100/155p108
Weightman, W A. Role: Engine driver. QSA (2) CC OFS. Ref: WO100/155p106
Weinling, W. Role: Engine driver. QSA (1) CC. Ref: WO100/155p106
Wilson, E F. Role: Not stated. QSA (1) CC. Ref: WO100/155p104. DNW September 2003 £280
Wood, J. Role: Engine driver. QSA (1) CC. Ref: WO100/155p104, p106
Young, A. Role: Not stated. QSA (0). Medal returned 17 November 1913. Ref: WO100/155p104
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A composite image from Rompel's Heroes of the Boer War.

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I have edited the roll page this morning to make the extant and returned medals easier to differentiate.

One of the tasks completed this year was to photograph the album of pictures on the SRT held by the National Army Museum. These contain many new images (to me at least) and also many names. I am seeking the permission of the NAM to add the images to my site.
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A report from The Times, 19 April 1894, of a presentation given by Lieutenant Colonel James Templer on the benefits of SRT.

STEAM TRANSPORTS ON ROADS

At the Royal United Service Institution yesterday afternoon Lieutenant-Colonel Templer read a paper on 'Steam Transports on Roads.' He said that the difficulty in collecting horses in sufficient numbers for the mobilization of an army at short notice from home sources had undoubtedly been the chief reason for the trial of road locomotives. It is estimated that there are 22,000 miles of turnpike road in this country, and there are already 8,000 road engines owned by commercial men, who have saved large sums of money by adopting them.

A single road engine will do the work of several teams and at a lower cost; hence the use of road engines by the Governments of Europe is becoming general. At present a train of wagons can on the best roads only traverse 1-20 miles daily, while a traction engine would in the same time go 60-70 miles. The lecturer gave tables embodying the results of his experience with traction engines in the manoeuvres of 1883 from which he estimated the cost per ton per mile at 1d. with free military labour and at 2d. with hired civilian labour. These results were obtained with engines not specially constructed for military operations. The lecturer then compared the weights and the water arrangements required for moving baggage-trains by road locomotives and by horses respectively. The road locomotive, to move 20 tons 15 miles, requires 500 lb. of coal, 4,000 lb. of water, and a conducting party of five men. The other system requires 90 horses, 48 men, 1,800 lb. of forage, and 5,400 lb. of water. When the engine is not at work it is costing nothing: horses require the same amount of food and water as when on the march. On a continuous march the horses become very much harassed, while the locomotives can do an average of 50 miles a day month after month.

In addition to this the locomotive is useful for many other purposes besides hauling. It can be used as a winding engine or as a stationary engine for sawing, pumping, &c. At Liddington one engine supplied the column with 30,000 gallons of water per day at a transport expense of 6 cwt. of coal. The water was pumped from a spring three-quarters of a mile distant, and distributed to the ten different camps, thus effecting a saving of at least 70 pairs of horses. There is a general impression that these engines are destructive to roads, but the lecturer maintained that on the contrary they improve them. He stated that a traction engine can make a road for itself wherever the ground is moderately hard. As horses and engines must both be used in any case for a long time to come, it is important to consider the risks of horses taking fright. The lecturer maintained that no properly educated horse will ever be alarmed by an engine, and that a horse that cannot be educated to that point is a 'wild beast' not worth preserving. For 20 years, he added, road engines have passed through the narrow streets of Chatham every day without an accident. By means of photographs projected on the screen the lecturer demonstrated the comparative shortness of a baggage train drawn by steam - a point which obviously becomes of importance in connexion with facility of defence by cavalry.

A short discussion followed.
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