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That is quite a price. I would probably prefer this medal from yesterday.

An interesting lot on eBay to someone who was at Elandslaagte but forfeited his QSA.

Described as:

Book of Poetry regarding the Boer War, on the front it is inscribed Sergeant D Andrew, 5th Lancers. Sgt Andrew was at Ladysmith and in the charge at Elandslaagte. Unfortunately for him he was court martialed for theft and his Medals were not awarded. So this book becomes more important as he is the only 5th Royal Irish Lancers entitled to the QSA with Elandslaagte and Ladysmith who did not receive the medal.

He was wounded and taken to Intombia Hospital. Went back to Ladysmith with the Relief Party. Also wounded at Belfast, but did not receive the Clasp!

The Book is inscribed to Betty McHie

Medal Roll on Ancestry states Medal not Awarded. FCM theft. Reduced to the Ranks + 2 year jail.

Born Perthshire

Joined Regiment aged 21 years and 6 months, on 28 March 1892 at Canterbury. Full name David James Andrew.

Height 5ft 8 inches. Weight 170 lbs. Chest minimum 38 1/2 inches Maximum 40 inches. Complexion Fair. Eyes - Blue, Hair - Light. Religion - Presbyterian. Army Number 4052. Attested Private 21 March 1892. Appointed Lance Corporal 3 September 1892. Appointed paid Lance Corporal 1 October 1894. Promoted Corporal 25 September 1895. Appointed Unpaid Lance Sergeant 4 December 1896. Reverted to Corporal 13 March 1897. Appointed unpaided Lance Sergeant 19 January 1900. Appointed paid Lance Segeant 1 April 1900. Promoted Sergeant 1 June 1900. Tried by F G C and sentenced to 2 years and to revert to the Ranks. Court Martial on 21 September 1901. At Elandfontein. 19 July 1902 returns to duty 20 July 1902. Discharged by purchase £18. At Colchester on 27 January 1903. Service Home 21 March 1892 to 2 September 1902 - 166 days. India 3 September 1892 - 4 March 1898 5 years 183 days. South Africa 5 March 1898 5 December 19013 years 276 days. Home 6 December 1901- 1year 54 days. Total service 10 years 317 days. 2nd Education exam. 8 June 1893. Medals for South Afric 1899 1901 Forfeited. NoK John Henry Lee, Uncle, Craig Lee Villa, Ilford, Essex. Sister - Muriel, Parkview House, Perth. Signature of Field Marshall Allenby appears as Commanding Officer of 5th Lancers on some of his papers.

He would have been entitled to QSA and KSA, with clasps for Transvaal, Elandslaagte and Ladysmith.






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Another seller who claims, without any evidence whatsoever, that a man in the 5th Lancers took part in the charge at Elandslaagte. Depending on the squadron he served in he may have done but equally he may have been parked out on the extreme right of the British line and seen no action in the battle.

David

David,

We are going to have to try to define that divide at some point.

Bon Chance!

djb wrote: David,

We are going to have to try to define that divide at some point.