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Armored Train Ambush 11-15-99 Chuchill & Haldane 2 months 1 week ago #78768

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Here's the more familiar picture of Churchill, same group, this time facing the camera.
(In a postcard version of the photo Neville shows in post #78765, Churchill is identified as the fellow in a flat cap with his back to the camera, towards the left of the frame. I am not convinced it is Churchill).

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Armored Train Ambush 11-15-99 Chuchill & Haldane 2 months 1 week ago #78769

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In this superb picture (which I am really delighted to have been shown by Neville) I believe the man in the hat leaning over is Bennet Burleigh. He was a chum of Rene Bull's, and features in several of Rene Bull's photos. Burleigh was the Correspondent for the Daily Telegraph and wrote "The Natal Campaign"

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Armored Train Ambush 11-15-99 Chuchill & Haldane 2 months 1 week ago #78770

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A few more images for the thread. Got the hint about editing posts. Will be using preview all the time from now on!.

Charles Wagner the train driver and his helper Mr. Stewart. Churchill obtained the Albert medal for them in1910 when he was home secretary.


A better image of Churchill by the train after his escape.


Before and after pictures of Haldane and Le Mesurier after reaching safety in Delagoa Bay.




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Armored Train Ambush 11-15-99 Chuchill & Haldane 2 months 1 week ago #78771

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Original: Boy I messed that post up. Is there any way to edit posts? I'm fumbling around looking for a means to do so but can't see any. I'll be more careful in the future.

Revised: Duh, it's the purple button that says 'Edit'.
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Armored Train Ambush 11-15-99 Chuchill & Haldane 2 months 1 week ago #78772

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Payton, you've got the hang of putting images into the post by using the "Insert" option for attachments.
Editing after posting is a piece of cake.
On any post you've made you will see a purple "Edit" button at bottom right of the screen. Only the person who wrote the post can see the Edit button. Click that and then the text will appear in a box, with each attachment visible as a string of text which will have the format: [attachment=XXXX]name of picture.jpeg[/attachment]. Just delete the duplicate attachments.

By the way, I'm enjoying this thread a lot!
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Armored Train Ambush 11-15-99 Chuchill & Haldane 2 months 1 week ago #78774

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Rob,
Having had a better look at the postcard, I think you are absolutely right - it is NOT Churchill standing in the centre. In the well-known photograph, Churchill is wearing Stohwasser leggings, whereas the man in the image used for the postcard is wearing puttees.

My reason for believing that the prisoners in the first image are from the armoured train disaster is shown below. The French publishers of the postcard describe them as "prisonniers du train blindé d'Estcourt" - but then they also thought the man on the left in the flat cap was Churchill ....



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