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The Indian Contingent 7 years 5 months ago #15248

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David

Thank you for another great addition to this thread. The medal to Sower Salutri Hayat Khan must be as good as it gets for an Indian soldier serving in the Boer War.

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Daffadar Kehr Singh
Faridkot Lancers

Queen's South Africa Medal; Clasps Cape Colony; Orange Free State;Transvaal 64 Daffadar Kehr Singh Faridkot Lancers
King's South Africa Medal; Clasps South Africa 1901; South Africa 1902 64 Daffadar Kehr Singh Faridkot Lancers

Norman Collett 1981 £ 85.00





Faridkot Imperial Service lances joined the Imperial Service Troops scheme in 1890 and left in 1900



From Secretary to Secretary of State for India, 2nd January,1900
All the Native States which have Imperial Service Troops have offered Mounted Infantry Horses for South Africa with such liberality that it would be possible to supply as many as 750 in addition to the 2000 which were originally asked for. In most cases the horses are offered free of charge. Great disappointment would be caused to the States if any of their offers were refused. Do Her Majesty's Government consider an increase of number desirable?

From Secretary of State for India to Viceroy, 8th January, 1900
Your foreign telegram, 2nd January. Her Majesty's Government accepts the offer of 750 horses, Native States, with expression of very warm appreciation of spirit which has prompted it.

20 horses supplied from Faridkote

London Times 20/01/00 (Saturday)
p8a The Fultala, with 280 horses contributed by Indian Princes, left Bombay for Durban yesterday.

The Faridkot Imperial Lancers had several syces as part of the contingent.
I have one to Nazam Din


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The Indian Contingent 7 years 5 months ago #15253

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It is very nice to see the KSA in the group David. I also like the price from 1981 which must have seemed a lot at the time?

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The King's South Africa Medal to The Indian Contingent

The following is a list of the King's Medals issued off the roll 1st Lancers 20 (1) - 2 "1901" only, 7 "1902" only (?)
2nd Lancers 3 (4)
3rd Lancers 8 (8 )
4th Cavalry 5 (3)
5th Cavalry 3 (7)
6th Cavalry 7
7th Lancers 4 (7)
8th Lancers 4 (8 )
9th Lancers 4 (3)
11th Lancers 2 (7)
12th Cavalry 3
13th Lancers 4 (3)
15th Lancers 3 (4)
16th Lancers 6 (2)
17th Lancers 6 (2)
18th Lancers 3
3rd Punjab Cavalry 4
1st Bombay Lancers 6 (2)
2nd Bombay Lancers 4 (3)
3rd Bombay Cavalry 4 (3)
5th Bombay Cavalry 48
6th Bombay Cavalry 3
7th Bombay Lancers 4
1st Madras Lancers 22 (6)
2nd Madras Lancers 3 (5)
3rd Madras Lancers 22
1st CI Horse 3 (4)
2nd CI Horse 5 (2)
2nd Lancers Hyderabad Contingent 2 (5)
3rd Lancers Hyderabad Contingent 3 (5)
4th Lancers Hyderabad Contingent 2 (5)
Erinpura Irreg Force Cavalry 1
QO Corps of Guides (Cav) 2
3rd Peshawar Mtn Btty 1
"A" Battery RHA 6
32nd Battery RFA 1
54th Battery RFA 2
80th Battery RFA 2
8th Rajputs 1
23rd Pioneers 1 (1)
36th Sikhs 2
40th Pathans 4 (3)
2/2 Gurkhas 1
ISMD 7
S&T 36 (35)
Postal Dept 4
Baroda IST 5 (2)
Bahawalpur Lancers 3 (4)
Bhavnagar Lancers 10
Bhopal Lancers 4 (3)
Faridkot Lancers 2 (5)
Gwalior Lancers 9
Hyderabad Lancers 5 (3)
Jamnagar Lancers 3 (5)
Jind Lancers 3 (4)
Junagadh Lancers 1 (4)
Kashmir Lancers 6
Kapurthala Lancers 6 (2)
Mysore Lancers 5 (2)
Nabha Lancers 6 (2)
Patiala Lancers 12 (5)

I think there are some 372 KSAs issued of which I have found 9 pairs and 2 without their QSA. One I further I wish to dispute ( but that is probably because I missed out at auction ) Of those with a observant disposition will have seen the number in parenthesis. These are the numbers of bronze KSAs that was envisaged but of course never went to mint. The Line down the middle obscures the words "Bronze Medal Only" so obviously bars were never considered for this medal.




I have an example for my collection.
I have not found any regulation that discards the bronze medal so I think it only fair that Syce Sadar is allowed to wear the ribbon until a decision has been made.
8 Syce Sadar Din 17th Bengal Lancers


8 Syce Sadar Din 17th Bengal Lancers


Bronze Queen's South Africa Medal CC;OFS;Tvl LC 8 Syce Sadar Din 17th Bengal Lancers
Bronze King's South Africa Medal LC 8 Syce Sadar Din
17th Bengal Lancers

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8 Syce Sadar Din 17th Bengal Lancers Served with the Left C Squadron , 7 sliver medals 16 bronze medals. Served in South Africa from October 1899 to 1902.
“During the year the regiment was indented on for assistance for the South African War. Early in the year fifty horses were purchased from each Indian cavalry regiment at an average price of sic hundred rupees including saddlery and line gear” The Star and Crescent
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Excellent Research David. many thanks for sharing that on the forum.

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17 R.B. Syce Doorgah
3rd Madras Lancers

Bronze Queen’s South Africa Medal 17 R.B. Syce Doorgah 3rd Madras Lancers

ex Spinks 1st May 2003 £120
ex Allan Woodcliffe 2005


Syce Doorgah served with part of the 1st Contingent of 3rd Madras Lanceres to serve in South Africa. Served in B troop of the Right wing. Sailed aboard the Muttra from Bombay on the 8th January 1900, with 269 horses for the Mounted Infantry. Accompanied by Majors Kerrich and Vansagnew, 3rd Madras Lancers. 1 Hospital Assistant, 27 native soldiers and 72 syces. (Telegramme 256)

Warrior’s Gate Way p59 confirms the arrival of the Muttra at Durban on 22/1/00 with 3 Officers, 28 troops 373 horses and 78 followers.

This is at odds with the London Times of 09/02/00
The Muttra, from Bombay, arrived at Port Natal yesterday.



The 3rd Madras Lancers moved down to Cape Town where they served at the Maitland Remount Depot



The True Story of Breaker Morant’s Bushveld Carbineers Lieut G. Witton
“The Maitland camp was situated about eight kilometers from Cape Town, on the left side of the Salt River, opposite the Observatory: it was the cavalry and artillery depot of the district, which included the South African Mounted Irregular Forces and all overseas colonials.”

The horses that were brought by the Madras Lancers were issued to the New South Wales Lancers

“At Naauwpoort nearly all the Australians were mounted, and now acted as mounted infantry. The horses supplied are Indian ponies, formerly used by the Madras Cavalry. They are a first-class lot of cattle, well suited to the work that lies before them, and have evidently been selected by someone who knows his business a good deal better than a great number of his colleagues” Campaign Pictures of the War in South Africa” A.G.Hales

On the 1st February it was converted into a Mounted Rifles at Naauwpoort; Indian Cavalry remounts being supplied.” Records of the Australian Contingents to the War in South Africa 1899-1900

Some of the 3rd Madras Lancers were later to be involved with transport duties


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