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Thanks Frank,

I do feel quite an attachment to the Scottish Horse being ex Transvaal Scottish myself. The TVL Scottish has strong links to the SH as both were raised by the Marquis of Tullibardine; the Scottish Horse in 1900 and the Transvaal Scottish in 1902. They are officially affiliated and both wear the Murray of Atholl tartan.

Attached is a photo of The Transvaal Scottish Volunteers (C & D Coys) and Scottish Horse (C & D Sqns) with the Pipes & Drums in the foreground at Frederickstad Camp in 1904.

Frank Kelley wrote: Good morning Mark,
Thats a wonderful photo and really good to be able to put a face, even in later life, to veterans of this famous regt, in particular the rank and file.
Regards Frank

Mark Wilkie wrote: Attached is a photo of SH veterans at a memorial service at the Kensington SH Memorial in Johannesburg on 2nd June 1940.

In the Transvaal Scottish Pictorial History the Kennsington Memorial is referred to more fittingly as "The Sister Memorial to the Scottish Horse Memorial on the Esplanade of Edinburgh Castle, Scotland."

It goes on to say:
"The only difference between the two memorials isthat the South African memorial on Kensington kopje was made in two sections so that it could be transported to South Africa. Mr William Hoy, later to become General Manager of South African Railways, railed it to Johannesburg at no charge."

Hi Mark,
Another super image, so can we establish here that the men of the Scottish Horse in this particular photo are all members of the regt that was part of Transvaal Volunteers movement and was disbanded in 1907?
Kind regards Frank

Mark Wilkie wrote: Thanks Frank,

I do feel quite an attachment to the Scottish Horse being ex Transvaal Scottish myself. The TVL Scottish has strong links to the SH as both were raised by the Marquis of Tullibardine; the Scottish Horse in 1900 and the Transvaal Scottish in 1902. They are officially affiliated and both wear the Murray of Atholl tartan.

Attached is a photo of The Transvaal Scottish Volunteers (C & D Coys) and Scottish Horse (C & D Sqns) with the Pipes & Drums in the foreground at Frederickstad Camp in 1904.

Frank Kelley wrote: Good morning Mark,
Thats a wonderful photo and really good to be able to put a face, even in later life, to veterans of this famous regt, in particular the rank and file.
Regards Frank

Mark Wilkie wrote: Attached is a photo of SH veterans at a memorial service at the Kensington SH Memorial in Johannesburg on 2nd June 1940.

In the Transvaal Scottish Pictorial History the Kennsington Memorial is referred to more fittingly as "The Sister Memorial to the Scottish Horse Memorial on the Esplanade of Edinburgh Castle, Scotland."

It goes on to say:
"The only difference between the two memorials isthat the South African memorial on Kensington kopje was made in two sections so that it could be transported to South Africa. Mr William Hoy, later to become General Manager of South African Railways, railed it to Johannesburg at no charge."

Frank, the Transvaal Scottish as an infantry unit continues to this day so as far as I know the 1907 "disbandment" was really just rearranging parts of the regiment into other forms. There seems to have been separation between the SH and TVL Scottish from the onset. The only things I can tell you about this particular photo was that the Transvaal Scottish Volunteers here would serve as C Coy of the Natal Rangers in the 1906 Rebellion and the Scottish Horse as a squadron of the Transvaal Mounted Rifles. The Rand Light Infantry was birthed out of the Transvaal Scottish Volunteers. To the rear of the two Transvaal Scottish Coys is the Cyclist Coy of regiment which in 1905 became the Transvaal Cycle and Motor Corps which went on to become the Rand Light Infantry.

Cheers,

Mark

Frank Kelley wrote: Hi Mark,
Another super image, so can we establish here that the men of the Scottish Horse in this particular photo are all members of the regt that was part of Transvaal Volunteers movement and was disbanded in 1907?
Kind regards Frank

Mark Wilkie wrote: Thanks Frank,

I do feel quite an attachment to the Scottish Horse being ex Transvaal Scottish myself. The TVL Scottish has strong links to the SH as both were raised by the Marquis of Tullibardine; the Scottish Horse in 1900 and the Transvaal Scottish in 1902. They are officially affiliated and both wear the Murray of Atholl tartan.

Attached is a photo of The Transvaal Scottish Volunteers (C & D Coys) and Scottish Horse (C & D Sqns) with the Pipes & Drums in the foreground at Frederickstad Camp in 1904.

Frank Kelley wrote: Good morning Mark,
Thats a wonderful photo and really good to be able to put a face, even in later life, to veterans of this famous regt, in particular the rank and file.
Regards Frank

Mark Wilkie wrote: Attached is a photo of SH veterans at a memorial service at the Kensington SH Memorial in Johannesburg on 2nd June 1940.

In the Transvaal Scottish Pictorial History the Kennsington Memorial is referred to more fittingly as "The Sister Memorial to the Scottish Horse Memorial on the Esplanade of Edinburgh Castle, Scotland."

It goes on to say:
"The only difference between the two memorials isthat the South African memorial on Kensington kopje was made in two sections so that it could be transported to South Africa. Mr William Hoy, later to become General Manager of South African Railways, railed it to Johannesburg at no charge."

Part of the answer as to why there are memorials in both Edinburgh and Johannesburg is that the Scottish Horse continued as a Regiment in both places. In Edinburgh as part of the Imperial Yeomanry.

Justin

Very true. In 1902 both the [British] Yeomanry regiment and the volunteer regiment in the new Transvaal Army claimed their origins from the original Imperial Yeomanry Scottish Horse.

Another being that many of the original members of the Scottish Horse were Scots residing in Johannesburg, Cape Town and Pietermaritzburg thus after the war a great many of these men still resided in South Africa. Many members that had joined later had come out from Scotland and returned to Scotland after their service.

JustinLDavies wrote: Part of the answer as to why there are memorials in both Edinburgh and Johannesburg is that the Scottish Horse continued as a Regiment in both places. In Edinburgh as part of the Imperial Yeomanry.

Justin

Gentlemen,
What I meant, was, the photo of C and D squadrons, in Fredrickstad, was infact, a photo of the Transvaal Volunteers, and not the Imperial Yeomanry which existed at the same point in time, after the original SAMIF unit had been disbanded, their appearance would be much the same.
Do you know of any single man who had actually served in all three, it would have been possible I suppose.
Kind regards Frank