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QSA with Talana and Elandslaagte clasps 7 years 5 months ago #7723

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Following on from yesterday's thread, here is my list of those recipients of both the Talana and Elandslaagte clasps:

1. Curran, E. 6019 Pte, RDF and 1842 Cpl SAC

2. Doran, J. 5953 Pte RDF

3. Davis, F A. 1412 Tpr SAC

4. Minniece, J. Maj RAMC

5. Craig, H A. 583 Tpr Nat Carbineers

6. Watson, J. 157 Cpl Natal Carbineers

7. Taylor, James. Rev

8. Weldon, T J. Tpr French's Scouts. See WO100/247p140

9. Newton, L T. S&TC
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Re: QSA with Talana and Elandslaagte clasps 7 years 5 months ago #7729

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David,

Very many thanks for the work on this. I was always of the opinion that there were just a handful or so who qualified for both.

Has anyone ever seen one of these verified medals?

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Re: QSA with Talana and Elandslaagte clasps 7 years 5 months ago #7730

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Hello Adrian,
I have not, moreover, I had never had the chance to buy one either! :(
The pair to Doran would fit into my collection very well!
He has two pages in WO100/269 for both the 1st and 2nd Battalions, with his Elandslaagte clasp from the 1st, his KSA is in WO100/347.
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capepolice wrote: David,

Very many thanks for the work on this. I was always of the opinion that there were just a handful or so who qualified for both.

Has anyone ever seen one of these verified medals?

Regards
Adrian






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Adrian,

No, I have never seen a verified QSA with this combination. It would be true to say that I would like to one day.

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Re: QSA with Talana and Elandslaagte clasps 7 years 5 months ago #7733

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Here is some more information on the men as I was a little rushed this morning.

This information is taken from my Talana book.

Craig, 583 Trumpeter H A, Natal Carbineers | QSA (6) Tal Eland DoL Tr LN SA01 | Enlisted 12 Feb 99 and mobilised 29 Sep 99 to 31 May 02. Carried despatched to Elandslaagte during the battle. On 18 Dec 99 a shell from Bulwana landed near to him, killing others of his unit, but leaving him unharmed. Served in the Zululand Frontier 18 Sep 01 to 16 Oct 01. Part of the Coronation Detachment. Sergeant Trumpeter 26 Apr 1905. Served in the Natal Rebellion 9 Feb to 31 Mar 1906 and 26 Apr to 3 Aug 1906. Resigned 11 Feb 1911 | Ref: QSA:
WO100/260p80 Suppl: WO100/260p109

Curran, 6019 Private E, Royal Dublin Fusiliers, 2nd Battalion | QSA (8 ) CC Tal Eland TH OFS RoL Tr SA01 Regimental History says reported missing, Talana, 21 Oct 99. Not listed on Casualty Roll. Surname Curren in Telegram 988. Invalided 20 Aug 00. Discharged 26 Feb 02. Also served C Div SAC (1842) | Ref: QSA: WO100/209p103, WO100/271p161 Suppl: WO100/272p277

Davis, 838 Sergeant F, Royal Dublin Fusiliers, 2nd Battalion | QSA (7) CC Tal Eland TH OFS RoL Tr, KSA (2) | Discharged RDF 1 Oct 02. Also served A Div SAC (1412) with clasps CC OFS Tr Tal Eland RoL | Ref: QSA: WO100/209p103, WO100/271p90 KSA: WO100/347p299

Doran, 5953 Private J, Royal Dublin Fusiliers, 2nd Battalion | QSA (5) Tal Eland TH RoL Tr, KSA (2) | Invalided 6 Jul 00 | Ref: QSA: WO100/209p16, WO100/209p106 KSA: WO100/347p302

Minniece, Major James, Royal Army Medical Corps | QSA (3) Tal Eland DoL | Died of enteric, Ladysmith, 17 Mar 00. He was born 9 May 1859, entered the RAMC as Captain 5 Feb 1887. Major 5 Feb 1899. He had served with a General Hospital during the Tirah Expedition, 1898-8. He went to South Africa with the Indian Contingent in Sep 1899, and was attached to the 5th Dragoon
Guards | Ref: QSA: WO100/221p25

Newton, Clerk L T, Supply and Transport Corps | QSA (4) Tal Eland DoL Tr | Calcutta District. Note on QSA Roll says 'Oudh Volunteer Rifles' | Ref: QSA: WO100/297p58

Taylor, Chaplain James, Army Chaplains Department | QSA (3) Tal Eland DoL | Under the rank column, the QSA Roll says 'Mission to Soldiers' | Ref: QSA: WO100/235p31, WO100/235p32

Watson, 157 Corporal J S, Natal Carbineers | QSA (6) Tal Eland DoL Tr LN SA01 | Enlisted 11 Nov 1891. Corporal 28 Mar 1899. Mobilised 29 Sep 99 to 31 May 02. Sergeant 3 Sep 1901. Operation on the Zululand Frontier Sep and Oct 1901. Part of the Coronation Detachment. Discharged 31 Oct 1903. Occupation farmer at Dannhauser | Ref: QSA: WO100/260p105 Suppl: WO100/260p118

Weldon of the French's Scouts was excluded from the Talana list as I believed he was one of the 40 or so QSAs with ineligible Talana clasps.

I have never come across any of these medals in my searches for extant Talana QSAs.

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Re: QSA with Talana and Elandslaagte clasps 7 years 5 months ago #7734

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Hello David,

Thank you very much for the write up's on the men in question, very interesting.

Yes, it would be special to be able to see one of these rare medals one day.

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