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Of all the ways to die......... 1 week 1 day ago #80620

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BereniceUK wrote: Here's #45 in Mike's list 'Killed in a Bar Brawl ..... 2' -

www.angloboerwar.com/forum/13-miscellany...d-in-a-cape-town-bar


Could it also possibly be included in #21. Murdered (by comrade) .....

Mike

Also I do not remember any mention of Snakes as I would have added that one for sure......

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Of all the ways to die......... 1 week 1 day ago #80643

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Driver George Edward Manning 11510 Royal Army Service Corps.
Death by Ruptured Kidney.

Watt and SAFF record this casualty as being J E Manning, who died of his injuries on the 5th of November 1901 at Kroonstad.

Having done a little research I believe it is George Edward Manning.
Born 1880 to William and Jane Manning. George was born in Aldershot Hampshire. The 1881 census has George living with his family at the A S C South Camp Farnham. His father William was serving as a Staff Sergeant. George followed his father and joined the Army Service Corps in 1893, as a12 year old school boy.

During his time in South Africa he served in the 9th 10th and 12th companies of the A S Corps. His medal roll suggests he had a Cape Colony and 1901 date clasp.

On his death his personal effects were returned to his family his next of kin being his father William and a sister named Florence.

I couldn't find an exact transcript of how his injury occurred, whether it happened in combat or accidental. However, I have enclosed a couple of  medical notes relating to George's injury.


The kidneys are well protected by the ribs, abdominal muscles, back muscles, and supporting fascia. However, the lower poles of the kidneys are inferior to the 12th  ribs and are therefore more susceptible to trauma.
Blunt force trauma to the back or abdomen is a common cause of severe kidney bruising and rupture  This type of trauma can happen during an accident or a bad fall.  Direct hit or kick in the lower back can also cause kidney trauma.
Kidneys are the third most common solid organ injury in blunt abdominal trauma.   Kidney rupture is similar to splenic rupture in that it is usually caused by a direct blow to the abdomen, side, or mid-to-low back which causes damage or a tear to the organ. If not treated correctly
a ruptured kidney is considered a serious injury. Left untreated, it can lead to serious health complications and death. Which was certainly the case for driver 11510  George Edward Manning, ASC.

You only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough.
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Dave
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Of all the ways to die......... 1 week 1 day ago #80644

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6180 LANCE CORPORAL WILLIAM LESTER: THE QUEEN'S (ROYAL WEST SURREY REGIMENT)
ACCIDENTALLY STABBED

Lance Corporal William Lester served with 'C' Company, 2nd Battalion of The Queen's and would have arrived in South Africa aboard the 'Yorkshire' arriving at Durban on around 14th November 1899. The Queen's arrived early in the campaign and therefore were in the thick of it!
Please see the regimental account on the Unit Information section of this website for more details to avoid my repeating descriptions of campaign events.

As far as I can see there are no surviving Attestation documents for Private Lester, therefore all of the following information comes from Hayward (1982) and Watt (2000) and a brief research into tactics employed by the imperial forces in the area at the time.

Lester would have faced the Mauser fire of the Boers and the deprivations of campaigning on the veldt. At the commencement of the guerilla phase following the victory in the conventional stage of the war, Lester was most likely on blockhouse duty between either Volksrust and Wakkerstroom or between Wakkerstroom and Piet Retief. These blockhouse lines were established to protect the British supply lines from Durban.
It was at Wakkerstroom on 16th November 1901 that Lester was stabbed accidentally and died of his wound the same day. Stabbings whether accidental or criminal were not uncommon among the soldiery, but in this case it is the offending weapon that is unusual.
Harking back to previous conflicts with the indigenous tribes, Lester had been stabbed by an Assegai, the throwing and stabbing spear as used by the Zulus. How on earth he managed to stab himself with one is not detailed, nor whether horseplay was involved.

The unfortunate 6180 L-Cpl. William Lester was interred at Wakkerstroom Cemetery and is commemorated on monument 1.

His QSA bears the clasps Orange Free State, Transvaal and South Africa 1901.
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Of all the ways to die......... 1 week 21 hours ago #80659

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Further to the pages on Steinaecker’s Horse I have collated the following -
20 men died of disease, presumably enteric and malaria would have been the predominate causes.
10 men Kia
2 men died of fits
1 was killed by a lion
1 was killed by a crocodile
1 died by being kicked by a horse
1 died from a fall from a horse
1 died by suicide
1 was found dead (this would fit into the snake bite theory)
Total 38.
I hazard a guess that if the same horse was responsible for both deaths it’s days would have been numbered.
I must look thru my notes, I am sure I have the QSA to a fellow who died by suicide and found later his brother had the same fate.
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Of all the ways to die......... 1 week 3 hours ago #80682

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Hi Jim,
I had never realised that just 10 men were killed in action serving with Steinaeckers Horse.
That would be a highly desirable QSA!

Back to snakebites, I find it hard to believe that half a million men slogging over the veldt would not have recorded a single case! Someone found mysteriously dead would be a great possibility as the fang marks can be almost invisible in some species (I do not profess to be a herpetologist!).

A suicide to two brothers is a very sad and bizarre scenario. Please let us know if your research turns up confirmation.

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Of all the ways to die......... 1 week 2 hours ago #80685

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H Steve,

I’ll have a look thru my notes, I can’t remember his name so it will be a matter of elimination.
There should be an answer in a day or so.

Jim
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